How not to evengelise to an atheist: amazing ancient Chinese treasure ships

One of the objections Bible skeptics raise against the Genesis account concerns the feasibility of constructing such a large wooden vessel as Noah’s ark….there have been huge wooden ships in the past, such as the 130m long Egyptian warship built by Ptolemy Philopator (c. 244 – 205 [BCE]).

Furthermore, the size of some of the vessels constructed of wood (teak and bamboo) that the 15th century Chineese imperial fleet used for long sea voyages confirms that shipbuilders had mastered advanced techniques at that time.

From Creation Magazine, Vol. 37 Issue 1, January 2015

Hmmm. Creationist date for the flood: 2348 BCE. Date given in article for the Egyptian big wooden boat: 244 – 205 BCE. Date given for the focus of the article: 1405 – 1433 CE.

The examples of big boat building are respectively about 2100 and 3748 after the date claimed by creationists for the great flood. That… that’s not exactly a contemporary example. Try again.

Next: Conclusion

How not to evangelise to an atheist: Slippery Slope Warning on Euthanasia

If you haven’t yet, read this, or this post will not make sense to you.

Society’s increasing acceptance of voluntary so-called ‘mercy killing’ (euthanasia) is clearly linked to the abandonment of the Genesis declaration that people were specially created in God’s image.

…. Don’t make our mistake, dailymail.co.uk, 10 July 2014

From Creation Magazine, Vol. 37 No. 1 2015

Again, I see a reference to the Daily Fail and your article is immediately discredited. The rest of your magazine is also tainted, because journalists and/or editors who are THAT bad cannot be trusted.

As for the issue, it is one of the great examples of how creationists have little if any depth of understanding of the issues at hand. Continue reading

How not to evangelise to an atheist: Secularism is Atheism part four

If you haven’t yet, read this, or this post won’t make sense.

‘Secularism’ was coined by British atheist George Holyoake in 1851. ‘Atheism’ evoked opposition, and therefore hindered the promotion of the godless worldview, and so Holyoake coined the term ‘secularism’. Atheists later adopted ‘secular humanism’ for the same reasons; it sounds much nicer than ‘atheism’.

From Creation Magazine, Vol. 37 No. 1 2015

Actually, the word has its origins in the 1300s, meaning at the time “living in the world, not belonging to a religious order“. So Holyoake’s use of the term was not de novo. Let’s also not forget that he was persecuted, imprisoned for his views, and this was Britain, not some backwater. I find it rich that a Creationist in an article arguing that Christianity is under siege from the evil atheists glosses over this fact. Continue reading

How not to evangelise to an atheist: Secularism is Atheism part two

If you haven’t yet, read this first, or this post won’t make sense.

Consequently, state institutions sponsored Christian celebrations. Parliaments had daily Christian prayers. School assemblies had prayers and Christian hymns, and the readers used for teaching reading contained many Bible passages.

This has largely been lost. Apparently we can’t have Christian activities anymore; …

From Creation Magazine, Vol. 37 No. 1 2015

I abhor dishonesty, despise it, and when still a Christian this was something which shocked me to the core when I first explored Creationism. Creationists lie. They lie, and they lie.

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How not to evangelise to an atheist

I wondered, as I opened our post box to find an issue of Creation Magazine waiting, how many of these copies are received by creationists, and how many are bought for non-creationists by creationists, to convince them to change their minds. In our case it’s certainly the latter. I am an atheist, this magazine subscription was bought by a creationist relative after my husband, in an exchange of comments on Facebook, offered to buy him a copy of Dawkins’ The Blind Watchmaker for Christmas.

Reading it gives me an opportunity to try to explain how these kinds of beliefs look to me, with a genuine effort to keep animosity and exasperation out of it. Hopefully it can save someone the trouble of trying to evangelise their neighbourhood atheist with stuff like this. When your atheist friend/family member is confronted with the following, these are the thoughts that go through their mind:

Secularism is Atheism Part One

Secularism is Atheism Part Two

Secularism is Atheism Part Three

Secularism is Atheism Part Four

Secularism is Atheism Part Five

Whale Shark Mystery

Slippery Slope

Focus Section

Amazing Ancient Chinese Treasure Ships

Conclusion